A further decisive refutation on Andrew Sanders al Fakehead pt.2
Asalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullaah
Today Brothers and sisters we’re going do as what they call ‘put the final nail in the coffin’ with part 2 of the decisive refutation of Andrew Sanders.
I am sure no doubt, that he will try with all his might to refute this article with nothing short of lies and pure slander. However if one was to read this article (and the rest on him) sincerely, then these articles should be sufficient proof that Andrew Sanders deserves the title of a ‘fakehead’.
Not long ago Andrew composed a post on his ‘ask me’ site describing who the khawaarij are, and deemed them as kuffaar.
On his site he was questioned;
“Where is the evidence that the Khawaarij are Kuffar?”
To which he answered….
“The Khawaarij are those who have exited Islam. The Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wasallam reffered to them as the dogs of the hell fire. Without a doubt a lot of the Khawaarij are kuffar, especially given the fact they accused Ali’ of being a Kaafir. Still today they takfeer many, like Fakehead Faisal and his company who have called Abu Ja’far a Mushrik and have called the whole dawat e Islami organization as Kuffar. I have the emails to prove this.”
A few points that is interesting to note:
1)-Even though there is a difference of opinion of the khawaarij being kuffaar, amongst those who didn’t consider Kharijites to be out of the fold of Islam are al-Nawawi, al-Khattabi, al-Bayhaqi, Abu Hamid al-Isfaraa’eeni, Ibn Aabideen, Ibn Daqeeq ‘l-Eid, Ibn Battal, al-Shatibi (who quoted Ali and Umar bin Abdil Azeez too), Ibn Taymiyyah (quoting Ibn Abbas), Ibn Umar, Ibn Qudaamah, Abu Hanifah, ash-Shafee’i, Imam Malik in a narration, Ahmed bin Hanbali in a narration, al-Baqillani, Qadhi Iyadh, al-Juwayni and the list goes on. This list includes those who sat on the fence.
(by the way it was Imaam Ibn Qudaama’s(rh) book Lum’at ul-I’tiqaad that Andrew translated and added his own little deviant ideas in, however yet again it is shown that the Imaam is not upon what Andrew is upon)
See———-> http://www.dorar.net/enc/firq/1129
2)-There is a blatant lie from him stating that Faisal (Ibn Saif Allaah) called Abu Jafar a mushrik & the whole dawat e islami organization to be kuffaar (to which no evidence can be given on his part)
3)-He condemns the use of the word ‘fakehead’claiming it is calling someone a munaafiq (no, we have no idea where he got this from either) however funnily enough he uses the word himself!
However brothers and sisters, lets delve deeper into this issue of this fakehead’s claims.
Just exactly who are the Khawaarij in the eyes of Andrew Sanders?
Even though he believes that the Salafis are the Khawaarij, Andrew is actually confused about the whole issue. Maybe he needs some time to himself to reflect on his confusion.
He stated in an email to Ibn Saif Allaah (co-admin of The Fakehead Report) “Your my brother in Islam. I may not agree with everything Salafis agree with, or take from certain scholars from the Saudi Establishement, but i certainly do not agree that everybody from the Salafis are Khawaarij. There are elements of Khawaarij behaviour that has arrisen amongst the Salafis, but that has also arisen in the Deobandi, in the Brelvi etc.
Just a little statemtn like “he cannot be a Muslim, he drinks shiraab” manifests a Khawaarij attitude.”
All of a sudden now all Salafis are Khawaarij??
The Salafis declare those who make Tawassul to be Kuffaar
Let it be known that the Salafis do not declare those who perform Tawassul to be Kuffaar. We have already given him the statement of Shaikh Muhammad Ibn Abdal Wahhaab in which he stated that he does not declare Takfeer on the one who performs Tawassul as this does not involve asking the dead but rather asking Allaah directly. This statement Andrew claimed is an ‘unknown’. It is only unknown to the one that doesn’t want it to be known. Also the Shaikh clarified in a letter to the people of Qaseem that he does not declare those perform Tawassul to be Kuffaar. Shaikh Salih al-Fawzaan also confirmed this by saying “So their statement that that the Shaikh (Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhaab) declares unrestricted Takfeer is a lie”. And this is the case aslong as the act of worship is not been directed to other than Allaah! He has not given one reference for one to refer back to.
We wonder why! For one obvious reason, is because there is nothing to show. This fakehead has nothing. This man knows for a fact that he will be refuted due to the fact that he will have to answer for the lies and accusations of Kufr he had made against the Scholars of Orthodox Islam (i.e Salafi Da’wah).
We even asked him to sit with us and have this out in the open and that we will record our discussion but he refused!
On his ‘ask a jahil’…sorry ‘ask me’ site, he was questioned:
“Are you willing to meet up with them (i.e. The Fakehead Report Team) and have it recorded?”
To which he cowardly (and hilariously) answered….
“There is no platform for falsehood. Would you meet up with Shaytaan if he offered? I do not think so, so what makes you think I want to meet up with cult members to discuss matters of truth? Ignorant pigs are not worthy of pearls, especially my time.”
Funny how he doesn’t find it beneficial to meet up with ‘khawaariji’ (as he claims) and is “not worth his time”. However Ali (RadiAllaahu anu) sent Ibn Abbas (RadiAllaahu ‘anhu) to meet the khawaarij to debate and establish truth. In fact, due to that, many of them repented and followed orthodox Islam after that.
Furthermore, if we are lying and not telling the truth, shouldn’t it be his duty to dispel myths from us face to face and publicly to show everyone the truth?! Why not debate publicly? Not only is this a British Tradition it is rooted in Islam where Ahlul Bid’ah were confronted from the people of Sunnah.
Not surprisingly though, Andrew continues to be the fakehead he is and gives slanders and empty claims without proof, all from the comfort of his house!
Take note dear readers! We have made it EXPLICITLY clear that we are willing to sit with ANY of the local people we have exposed PUBLICLY on the condition that it is recorded.
We declare Abu Ja’far and Da’wat e Islami to be Kuffar
Andrew claims he has emails from Ibn Saif Allaah in which he declared Abu Ja’far to be a Mushrik and the Dawat e Islami to be Kuffar. Let it be known that this is a pure lie! He has nothing to prove this. Andrew needs to know that we file EVERY email we send out! He may resort to forging one but this can easily be verified. Anyway we have emails and statements to prove otherwise. Andrew is simply using the fear factor now in order to scare Muslims away from us and doesn’t mind lying at all in order to justify his aim. Laa hawla wa laa quwuta illa billaah!
This person is the same guy who was spat at by his so called ‘Sunni’ brothers and was threatened with violence. Looks like these events have had an impact on him and now he is using the same tactics against us!
These guys know for a fact that Ibn Saif Allaah nor does any other salafi declare them to be Kuffaar, Who am we to declare Takfeer? However, these brothers DO and HAVE declared us Kuffaar. The Khawaarij are those that have exited Islaam according to Andrew Sanders and this is what he calls us openly.
Those reading this do not need any lessons in this. You all know that the ‘Wahhabi’ are seen as Kuffaar by the likes of Dawat e Islami who will not even pray behind the Imaams at the Masjid al-Haraam in Makkah and Madinah.
However brothers and sisters ponder on this serious hadith:
The Hadith of the Prophet Sallallaahu alaihi Wasallam is clear “Whoever says to his brother O Kaafir! Then surely one of them is such” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book of Good manners).
This is issue is apparent. The kids among the Sufis will know what a ‘Wahhabi’ is before they even know who Allaah is!
Another lie
This Fakehead claimed once he was testing our understanding of Bid’ah and whether we could provide him a reference for a Hadith. Andrew claimed “I knew the reality of linguistic bid’ah very well, I was just testing Faisal al-Fakhead’s knowledge see if he could even provide me the reference, but he never answered because I would have took him in the next direction.”
His email asking for the reference:
From: brotherandrew@hotmail.co.uk
To: sheikh_faisal82@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Did the Prophet sal Allahu ‘alayhi wasallam mean every innovation in the absolute sense?
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:05:43 +0000
Salaamun ‘alaykum
al Hamdu Lillah I am well. I would like to request you for the reference to the linguistic bid’ah mentioned by Imaam Ibn Rajaab in shaa’Allah, I will look it up in the ‘Arabic.
Our response:
From: sheikh_faisal82@hotmail.com
To: brotherandrew@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: RE: Did the Prophet sal Allahu ‘alayhi wasallam mean every innovation in the absolute sense?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:49:03 +0000“Alaikum Assalaam Warahmatullaah.
Firstly The discussion on the linguistic meaning of Bid’ah can be found in Jami al Ulum wal-Hikam Hadith # 28 (Hadith of following the Prophets Sunnah and the rightly guided Khulafaa after him….)”
So as you can see, we did respond, the very next day!
A clear cut example of a liar.
Not long ago he was asked on his site:
“By definition, can somebody who lies be a Muslim?”
To which he answered and unnecessarily abused Ibn Saif Allaah, saying …..
“No, as seen from one of the ahaadeeth of the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wasallam a Muslim can never be liar. The term fakehead defined by fakehed Faisal still boils down to the same meaning, which is to call somebody a hypocrite.”
However judging from the evidences it looks like Mr.Sanders fits that category like a glove, more than anybody else.
In fact due to his comment, he may have made takfeer on himself without him even realising it!
Does he not remember the statement of Allaah “O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allâh and be just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is WellAcquainted with what you do”. (Al-Ma’idah 5:8)
Conclusion
This fakehead will continue to blast his mouth against us but this fool refuses to sit down with us to settle these issues and this is because we have enough proof to declare him a liar and deceiver. If he has nothing to hide then why refuse to sit down and discuss these issues?
It’s sad how people accuse of slander and backbiting yet they don’t even know the definition of slander whatsoever. The Hadith states that a Slander is when one LIES about someone behind their backs. Show us where we have lied against anyone? These are the same people that sat back while our scholars were being mocked and slandered (the proof of these slanders are all contained within this blog), They sat back and allowed Fitnah to begin when they gave platform to the likes of Abu Ja’far etc declaring salafis to be kuffaar. These are the same people that attack our scholars without proof! The funny thing is the second we defend the honour of our scholars and refute and expose the liars we get accused of slander and causing disunity. No, Disunity started long ago.
We say finally again: We are willing to discuss this face to face with anyone that is sincere and we will show you how these people LIE and DECIEVE provided the sitting is recorded and that we have with us one student of knowledge that will simply be there to verify any reference they quote. These people will never sit down with us. We did not start this Fitnah, We are simply trying to show people the truth behind it.
Finally The Prophet Sallallaahu alaihi wasallam said “Whoever has the following four (characteristics) will be a pure hypocrite and whoever has one of the following four characteristics will have one characteristic of hypocrisy unless and until he gives it up:
1. Whenever he is entrusted, he betrays.
2. Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie.
3. Whenever he makes a covenant, he proves treacherous.
4. Whenever he quarrels, he behaves in a very imprudent, evil and insulting manner.”
(Sahih al-Bukhari, Book of Faith)
Ever since we exposed Andrew al-Fakehead he has resorted to lying on many occasions and has acted in an evil manner. In fact we do not know who is more of a liar, Andrew or Iblees!
He has responded to us in an evil manner and used terms like “Bulls***t and S**t” and threatened to punch us and make us pay with blood!
As mentioned, he tries to use the term Fakehead on us. However I think to any sincere person its clear, who the Fakehead is….
And Allaah is our witness to everything we state.
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The Fakehead Report 
More fame seeking from kabeer ul-Fakeheads I see.
If any reader wants to clarify any of the above with me [thats any reader not involved in the slanders] the feel free to contact me personally.
Thanks for you time and attention faisal.
bad publicity is also good publicity… thanks to those who have bought the book .
Assalaamu Alaykum Brother Andrew,
Is it possible for you to send the clarification on fakehead report for everyone to see insha`Allah. Can you please give your contact details so that if people wanted to contact you than they can easily do so. Since brother Faisal has his contact details promoted then insha`Allah its only fair you have your details for us to contact you for further Truth.
Jhazakha`Allahu Khayran
Assalaamu Alaykum Warakhmatullah
just one SIMPLE Question to you all, if you guys have nothing to hide than are you willing to meet up with each other for a face to face discussion, insha`Allah you can bring a student of knowledge with you (just 1 – don`t want it to be too long) or someone that you look up to and follow. Please Answer ONLY with Yes or No.
Than Insha`Allah we can justify things from there
another fakehead Salafi who claims to have left Abu Jafars group
then name yourself if you are truthful … Im calling your card and calling you a liar
Asalaamu alaikum
Everything is clarified.
If bad Publicity is good publicity then we got the best publicity ever with your remarks.
Its nice to know that you aint got much to say. Trait of a fakehead: Make alot of claims but no proof behind the claims. It apparent that you are a liar and one that resorts to violence and bad language.
Wonder what Imaam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal Rahimaullaah would make of that.
Was-Salaam alaikum
I will reply, but no longer on your field.
You made it a personal thing by bringing my son into this…
from the very beginning this was not about deen
it was a personal attack on myself
its funny though, I write books and shift units while you write silly blog comments
theres a difference
I could be the wickedist character and still could tell the truth
Where have you refuted my book?
Infact you have been to busy maikng character attacks
mmm also why did Imaam Bukhaari include the ahaadeeth on the Khawaarij in the chapter of dealing with apostates?
What made it permissable to kill the Khawaarij? Only three occasions when you can put somebody to death what are they?
If the Khawaarij are not Kuffar [and your so busy defending them] then why did the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wasallam say they are the dogs of the people of Jahannam. Why are they the lowest of the lowest even below the lowest of Kuffar in the hell fire?
Salafis say true knowledge is what Allah and His Messenger have said, but you want to say yeh but Imaam Nawawi blah blah blah did not believe the Khawaarij to be Kuffar.
This is just a whiff of whats to come.
Theres no nail in my coffin, especially from self made internet scholars such as yourself
and violence, remember, the way you have trespassed me has violated all adaab
You said I hide behind my sons face, yeh I have every right to slap you and thats a promise… its got nothing to do with the other subjects… its my son you rode on my dead son… you have no adaab spitting on his name like that .. thats why I am going to slap you when I see you next and Wallahi to that
I will reply, but no longer on your field.
You made it a personal thing by bringing my son into this…
from the very beginning this was not about deen
Have some humility. You pathetic deviant. It has always been about your slanders on the salafi and dawah and the salafi scholars. You have been shown with apparent evidences we have displayed. It has nothing to do with your son whatsoever.
its funny though, I write books and shift units while you write silly blog comments
theres a difference
What’s even funnier is these “silly blog comments” are hard for you to refute….
I could be the wickedist character and still could tell the truth
Please…..spare us the emotional arguments because that has no basis in Islam. Definitely not in conditions for witnesses. A’isha (RadiAllaahu anha) didn’t even accept testimonies from clean shavens.
Where have you refuted my book?
Infact you have been to busy maikng character attacks
1- It’s not your book…you only translated a book of a well known scholar….the only thing you can claim is your deviant footnotes
2-No. We stated from our very first article about you, the issues we had and what you were calling to. Exposing your deviant claims just REVEALED your filthy character.
mmm also why did Imaam Bukhaari include the ahaadeeth on the Khawaarij in the chapter of dealing with apostates?
What made it permissable to kill the Khawaarij? Only three occasions when you can put somebody to death what are they
Typical…..I knew you was going to get desperate. Why not comment on the Imaam of the book you translated and why he doesn’t believe them to be kuffaar?
Or the Imaam you ‘so-call’ ascribe to? Why not comment on them, hey andy?
Even those who apparently did Takfeer, like al-Bukhari, could not have done blanket Takfeer because there are Kharijites in the books of Hadith narrating Hadith.
Also, you fakehead. The kharajites are known to have considered to avoiding fabricating hadith due to their belief that doing such an act took you outside the folds of Islaam.
If the Khawaarij are not Kuffar [and your so busy defending them] then why did the Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wasallam say they are the dogs of the people of Jahannam. Why are they the lowest of the lowest even below the lowest of Kuffar in the hell fire?
So now Ali, who said regarding the Khawaarij: “They are our brothers who rebelled against us”, are you saying Ali had a difference of opinion with the Prophet?
Are you that jahil?
Salafis say true knowledge is what Allah and His Messenger have said, but you want to say yeh but Imaam Nawawi blah blah blah did not believe the Khawaarij to be Kuffar.
Imam Nawawi blah blah blah?? Very disrespectful don’t you think?? Plus i see no refutation so its just aload of waffle on your part.
This is just a whiff of whats to come.
Theres no nail in my coffin, especially from self made internet scholars such as yourself
HA! That’s rich….internet scholars? Really?
Hmm how about considering these points?
1- We’re willing to debate this face to face publicly while having the conversation recorded. (You refused)
2- We only have one blog. You have 2 blogs…(not to mention a myspace page, 3 facebook accounts) Give me a break….
When asked on your ask a jahil site, “what would be your ideal job?”
You answered;
One with a PC and a Chair……sound familiar andy?
3- You got bought, mowed over, leaked upon, whipped, nuked, torchered, bulldozed, asphaulted, spinned, mutilated, vampired, CPRed, dusted, creamed,
blown to kingdom come, choked, plastered, chaulked, smoked, chewed up, flicked, plucked out, and any other form of getting blasted by our refutations.
We haven’t heard one refutation from you. Just lies
and violence, remember, the way you have trespassed me has violated all adaab
You said I hide behind my sons face, yeh I have every right to slap you and thats a promise… its got nothing to do with the other subjects… its my son you rode on my dead son… you have no adaab spitting on his name like that .. thats why I am going to slap you when I see you next and Wallahi to that
Masha’Allaah! So where do they stand those who hasten to perform takfeer of the Muslims in relation to the saying of the Messenger sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam: “Abusing a Muslim is open sin and killing him is kufr” Reported by al-Bukhaaree and Muslim.
Shows what a fakehead you are…
SubahanAllah Ya Akhi, I’ve just been interesting in what’s happening to gain knowledge myself, in the beginning you mentioned that the Fakehead report gave you personal attacks towards your son, Brother, from an outsider there was no form what so ever made against your son (May Allah insha`Allah grant your precious son jannatul-tul-firdous Aameen) I also lost my baby not long ago and believe I know how it feels and if someone made accusations as such to my child I would also be extremely angry and upset but for you to make such an accusation that the Fakehead report are making personal attacks on your son that this is INCORRECT! Bring your evidence forward. Ive read through the articles and cannot find anything made against your son, the only thing that I can see is a dua for your son to have mercy on him. Here is the evidence below.
“Your deceased son (May Allaah have mercy on him) doesn’t change the fact you have other alias. Muhammad, Abdur Rasheed and ‘Makhluwq da beggar’ has nothing to do with your son
We were just making a point that you have many names. Simple. Build a bridge and get over it.” (sent on on March 25, 2010)
Brother Andrew you said this in your post which was posted on March 31, 2010 You said “I hide behind my sons face, yeh I have every right to slap you and thats a promise… its got nothing to do with the other subjects… its my son you rode on my dead son… you have no adaab spitting on his name like that .. thats why I am going to slap you when I see you next and Wallahi to that”.
There was no evidence of the Fakehead report dishonoring your son.
*sons name – correction
Everything is not clarified
The Avalanche part one has now been released on my blog
I will enjoy refuting you muppets to the very end
They tried to suggest I hide behind many alias knowing that Abu Muhammad Ibraheem is my kunyah and that my son passed away. They knew this, yet delivered a low blow. They should have feared Allah before spitting on my sons name, even if indirectly, for this reason Faisal deserves to be slapped, and since I have promised and put a Wallahi on that I am going to carry it through, infact it might be a few slaps and if anybody attempts to come to his aid on that day I will slap them too regardless and I care not for the consequences. Some things just stay according to the street.
Spitting on your sons name? Explain yourself. Akhi you gave no evidence what so ever that the fakehead report said anything bad about your son. I gave you evidence to backup what I said, Im still waiting for your proof. Listen Akhi you will be judged on everything you do in the Akhirah, Allah will ask you why you performed such an act, in reality if anyone said something about your child in a disgusting manner than okay you stand a ground to do something about it. But violence is NOT the first step towards this. The Prophet (saws) got tortured, remember the story of the lady that kept chucking rubbish on Him, every single day and he didn’t do anything, one day she didn’t throw rubbish on him and went to her house and asked her why she didn’t throw rubbish on her, she was shocked, just by this simple action the Prophet (saws) did and through this she listened to Him and gave Him a chance to explain the beauty of the deen (SubhanAllah)..
I also recommend that you take the example of Aisha (ra) slandering story, (if you need reference than isnha`Allah I will post them – please let me know). Something happened but others thought something else and guess what Allah saved Aisha because she was telling the truth.
I suggest everyone involved in these articles FEAR ALLAH to the best of their ability and not let arrogance come in the way. Remember we will be judged by everything and be punished to own accordance.
You can make yourself look like your in the right, have your fun in this Dunya. But when you die, you can`t lie to YOUR LORD, The one that created you, even if you lied, the Angels and your tongue will talk against you.
The best thing is to stop calling each other with unnecessary names , have a formal meeting. If your telling the truth than what FEAR do you have? You can tell Allah on the day of judgment that you tried to defend what you believed in to the best of your ability.
I speak to myself before anyone. And Allah knows best
oi hypocrite! you should be telling the blog authors to fear Allah if you were truthful, but you know what – your a wahhabi dog too, so you are blind to their crimes.
Stop desperately trying to clutch onto strings….
You know that is not what we intended and you know we made du’a for your deceased son (May Allaah have mercy on him).
Even evidence has even been shown from a visitor from this blog….you’re only humiliating yourself.
Answer these questions;
1-Do you have other aliases? (Abdur Rasheed, Mawkhluq da beggar)
2-Do they have anything to do with your son?
If yes, then show us the relation to your son.
If no, then you have agreed with our point that you have many aliases.
Simple as.
1. What was your intention in showing what names I am known by?
2. Why did you try and suggest I am a fakehead for hiding behind manuy laiases
you know what your doing and words will not cut it.
you will be dealt with accordingly… dont think you can insult my sons memeory and get away with it. You cannot. The fact of the matter you the very reason why I released the book under the name Abu Muhammad Ibraheem, but still went on to imply I am a fakehead because I hide behind certai aliases, and since you want to get yourself grimed up in this Hamza, I will slap you too, could not give a damn for your martial art techniques, see me in the street. There will come a time, Nottingham is small place.
Threats don’t mean anything to me, so don’t waste your time.
Also those weren’t the answers to my questions.
Stop running…
Ashley “monkey spank” patterson, obviously you have not heard:
http://www.baatil.com
and more to come
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however, you brothers have stepped on my personally, stole that which was haraam for you, and insulted my dead sons memory, and there is a price to pay for that. I will not allow fassyholes like yourself to compose verbal attacks on me and deeply insult me without getting away with it. No. seriously, you are all going to know this is not no game. However I have also composed academic answers.
You have not even the humility to apologize, but scream like the snitch bitches you are. We can all tell you never really lived even by a street code.
Keep my name in your mouth, but when it comes out, teeth will fly with it.
threats are very different from promises.
Andrew Sanders al Fakehead
Basically what you’re saying is, you don’t want to answer the questions?
Also what does fassyhole mean, Andy? Could you care to explain? Is that a terminology the hanaabilah use? (as opposed to “bitches”)
It would just be easier admitting you’re a fakehead than us producing articles. Also that joke of a refutation you composed will be ripped apart in no time.
Additionally;
1- I don’t care about the “street code”. Don’t be flaunting your ‘makhluwq da beggar’ persona to me, it won’t wash.
2- One of your hissy slaps isn’t worth a broken jaw, so like a said, Just relax.
Asalaam alaikum
SubhanAllaah. All of us need to check our intentions.
You need to calm down bro. Seriously. Stop exaggerating the issue. We did not ‘Insult’ your son and this is clear to any fair minded person.
Anyway. With regards to this whole ‘streetcode’, I think you need to chill out and think about the situation. We simply released a few articles on you and made some valid points regarding your lies and contradictions and you reacted with even more lies that we exposed, you reacted by threatening me via email. We have given you the chance to sit with us and deal with this openly and il tell you now if I am proven wrong then il let you slap/punch me for causing this. How easy is that? We meet and settle these issues and if im wrong then you can punch me.
However, If you choose to the the other avenue and attack me our of nowhere then the following can happen as a result of your actions:
1, I will stop writing articles against you
2 I will retaliate. And this will be bad for our image as Muslims living here.
What you do is upto you from now. Either agree to a meeting and settle, get ‘street ‘ or just get over it. I left that ‘street’ life 4/5 years ago and I left it because it was pointless and had no meaning whatsoever and now Im trying to take people away from it and Alhamdullilaah some are. Obviously the ‘street’ life is something dear to you. Maybe you should calm down on the whole Hip Hop issue if its affecting your mind. Next thing you’ll probably be inventing your own hand symbol like 2pac.
I aint the one bragging about ‘street codes’ cos this has no relevance to what we’re discussion and Islaam.
Wassalaam alaikum warahmatullaah.
Faisal Ibn Saif-Allaah.
Brother I don`t know whats going on..but you still have not proven to the fakehead audience of your evidence. No one gave you personal attacks.
What exactly do they need to apologize for? I think the only person that has the biggest mean to apologize is you with your swearing, threats and accusations made against people without evidence. This is not a minor thing to make in the deen, you will be held accountable. You have your fun in this dunya (which will end soon) but in the akhirah you will surely be held against it.
And I take it by “street code” you mean acting like a jahil person without giving a damn what anyone or anything thinks. SubahnAllah you should thank Allah that your brother or anyone didn’t have to go through that not encourage them by saying “We can all tell you never really lived even by a street code.” SubhanAllah think before you post things up.
The things your saying are not from Muslim character. Insha`Allah repent!
oi fakehead, you have not read the blog ? http://www.andrewsandersisafakehead.wordpress.com
I have posted it two times but yet the comments dont show, thats because Wanker Hamza knows hes defeated and is too embarrased to let this and other posts be… Its alright though, I am soon to launch a very big attack on facebook. Show you what war is.
duck in your shame
Yeah im sure people are looking forward to it (!)
‘wanker hamza’ ?! and you’re trying to talk to us about adaab?
oh yeah and speaking of facebook —-> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=109638875729113
we’re already one step ahead of you, sunshine….
speaking of sunshine, the only thing that is embarrassing is that stupid picture of yourself wearing bug-eyed looking shades….INDOORS!
So in Islaam you feel have all the freedom to insult and get away with it?
btw, 2pac’s not my personal preference. Just goes to show what a stereotypical idiot you are.
Thats what you think to hip hop, you do not even know what hip hop is and it takes more than a wiki search to know.
The bottom point is, you have overstepped and forget the talking, I am done
I will cotinue to write books and articles, besides kick your ass when I see you
but next time if you want to try and refute somebody, then you better learn your lesson and not make it a personal attack. so you can shut up about intentions because your initial intention was to attack me and not the subjects I touched upon.
You should have focused on trying to refute the subject instead of getting personal … no your in a situation…
and people who back me are saying its about time you got slapped because people are fed up with you stupid refutation monkeys who just waste time witchhunting hypocrites and cyberbullying people using deen as an excuse.
You made this a personal thing, not me, so you want to get personal then be it.
anyways shut up and I will see you when I see you.
To Abu Muhammad,
I am now going to quote on what you said to me below: –
“oi hypocrite! you should be telling the blog authors to fear Allah if you were truthful, but you know what – your a wahhabi dog too, so you are blind to their crimes.”
How DARE you call me a hypocrite! how dare you even suggest that I am not truthful..You’re trying to judge me without knowing me. You think you have the powers and the ability and have the NERVE to say such filth. No Brother, Allah is my judge NOT you!
A wahaabi DOG! SubhanAllah, blind to what crime??!! the only fool that exists here is you..making accusations with proof! SubhanAllah a person who gets raped or commits zina has categories, they need certain amount of witnesses and even within those witnesses you need all the people to admit what happened..if you have no proof subhanAllah let that punish lie with that person and Allah on the day of judgment! You haven’t given me proof its just words..If you had nothing to hide than why would you get angry so quickly, swear and make false accusations? If a person had nothing to hide believe me you they wouldn’t be talking or using speech in your manner!
And for me i used to follow Abu Jafar lot and left, and wanted to seek the truth, and came across this fakehead report which opened my eyes and made me aware of things that I was hidden from. In fact I was reading through what you were saying and waiting for more from you so I could gain knowledge from what you believe and learn from you. But after the way you have behaved towards me and others, I don’t want to hear anything from such a person! When I became Muslim I thought Muslims don’t head towards violent or swear, and act like liars, still trying to bring there past back by trying to talk about there street life and how cool they were and what they can do now. Akhi these things I wanted to move away from, not to be reminded of.
All I learned from you was the things mentioned above, so jhazakhAllahu Khayran for your time and effort, Allah exposed the truth to me. I would like an apology for you calling me a hypocrite and a wahaabi dog! If your heart is so hard that you can`t apologize than insha`Allah we will meet face to face to the one who created us and you explain why you made such false accusations towards me
I could nt even be bothered to read … lazy mode I guess …
however I will delight in the fact that your peed off right now because you have wasted a good half hour or so tapping away
{Andrew} “oi hypocrite! you should be telling the blog authors to fear Allah if you were truthful, but you know what – your a wahhabi dog too, so you are blind to their crimes.”
{Fear Allah}“How DARE you call me a hypocrite!……….
And for me i used to follow Abu Jafar lot and left, and wanted to seek the truth, and came across this fakehead report which opened my eyes and made me aware of things that I was hidden from. In fact I was reading through what you were saying and waiting for more from you so I could gain knowledge from what you believe and learn from you. But after the way you have behaved towards me and others, I don’t want to hear anything from such a person! “
Masha’Allaah, Fear Allah! May Allaah guide you to the truth. Indeed Truth stands clear from falsehood.
says mr monkey spanker
how did you go with making masterbation halaal? have you been victorious in your cause?
Ahhhh Andy, Andy, Andy tut tut tut…….
I know you’re getting desperate, but come on!
You fully well know, that was the opinion of a brother we was associated with who sadly got deported. In fact, it was ME AND FAISAL who gave him naseeha regarding it.
You have already proven yourself a liar, our readers are not that gullible and stupid to fall for them……you’re just digging your hole deeper
but anyways….whatever….you will be refuted in all due time. Something for the fakehead report fans to look forward to!!!
and I have to say sincere thanks because since the special attention you lot have given me the book sales have increased. So when am I going to see part three “erm we did not put enough nails in?” or the screws were loose? or whatever weak excuse of a refutation you have got in the pipeline? Your time is mine ;D
Assalamu alaykum;
I dont know about what everyone else thinks here but when a person with an ounce of intelligence wants to argue or debate in according to the sunnah, the only thing that will inspire him to use words like “wanker” and “bitches” is shaytaan. If the sahaba were to see one argue in this manner they would be sick of him, the prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) would also hate it. I dont think your worthy of writing books for people to read and your not even worthy of being on this blog. Your manners are just as filthy as a dog’s backside after 40 days of continuous deification. The admin should delete your comments and then make wudu, and the people who have read your books should burn them and then perform ghusl and hajj.
May Allah guide us all, Amin.
And what is a wahabbi dog? Your ignorance seems to reach higher than your ridiculous sunglasses.
“how did you go with making masterbation halaal? have you been victorious in your cause?”
Wallah that shows how desperate you were to just speak, admin please delete his comments and lets forget about him, this is the only way he is getting famous.
they have interpolated those words into my posts and changed my links
I said no such things
Just to let you know, I have witnesses to your comments and we have your comments stored and filed.
Your lies will not get you anywhere except further humiliation.
“O you who believe! Fear Allaah, and be with those who are true (in words and deeds)” [al-Tawbah 9:119].
‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I urge you to be truthful, for truthfulness leads to righteousness, and righteousness leads to Paradise. A man will continue to be truthful and seek to speak the truth until he is recorded with Allaah as speaker of truth (siddeeq). And beware of lying, for lying leads to immorality and immorality leads to Hell; a man will continue to tell lies until he is recorded with Allaah as a liar.” [Bukhari and Muslim]
Asalaamu alaikum Abu Taskeen,
Yes you are right, we have been giving Andrew a bit too much limelight. The only reason why, is so people can see his true colours (which has clearly been illustrated) and to be fair.
Also his bad mannerisms and language publicized will establish the readers as witness to the filth we are subjected to by this human being.
The only thing we will not allow is his link to his deviant blog, so people will be confused even more.
As i mentioned, we will refute his jaahil ‘refutation’ in no time, so our readers will have the chance to read it then.
As for now, we will reject his comments unless we see any benefit in publicizing them.
Jazakallah khair for your suggestion brother, really appreciated.
Wa salaamu alaikum
Kindly give evidence for this:
ven though there is a difference of opinion of the khawaarij being kuffaar, amongst those who didn’t consider Kharijites to be out of the fold of Islam are al-Nawawi, al-Khattabi, al-Bayhaqi, Abu Hamid al-Isfaraa’eeni, Ibn Aabideen, Ibn Daqeeq ‘l-Eid, Ibn Battal, al-Shatibi (who quoted Ali and Umar bin Abdil Azeez too), Ibn Taymiyyah (quoting Ibn Abbas), Ibn Umar, Ibn Qudaamah, Abu Hanifah, ash-Shafee’i, Imam Malik in a narration, Ahmed bin Hanbali in a narration, al-Baqillani, Qadhi Iyadh, al-Juwayni and the list goes on. This list includes those who sat on the fence.
Which books, which chapters?
Kindly read the ‘Official Refutation of Andrew sanders’. It discusses the issue of the khawaarij in more depth with evidences provided.